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Wrel · 08-25-2009, 04:16 PM

Hey guys, just wondering if this is a common problem, or even a problem at all, and merely a design of the bike.

I rolled up to a stop light and managed to stall in traffic the other day. No biggie. I tried hitting the starter but it did nothing. I check for all possible problems, but found nothing. Then I put it into neutral, and it turned over fine. First gear? Or any gear for that matter? I get no response from the starter.

Anyone else have a bike that acts like this? My other 2 bikes would fire right back up when in gear, so I had just assumed this one would too. Should I take it to the dealership and have them take a look at this for me?

Thanks

**99vengeur** · 08-25-2009, 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wrel

Hey guys, just wondering if this is a common problem, or even a problem at all, and merely a design of the bike.

I rolled up to a stop light and managed to stall in traffic the other day. No biggie. I tried hitting the starter but it did nothing. I check for all possible problems, but found nothing. Then I put it into neutral, and it turned over fine. First gear? Or any gear for that matter? I get no response from the starter.

Anyone else have a bike that acts like this? My other 2 bikes would fire right back up when in gear, so I had just assumed this one would too. Should I take it to the dealership and have them take a look at this for me?

Thanks

Mine will start up in gear, you just have to make sure the clutch is pulled in and that the side-stand isn't down.

**JonKerr** · 08-25-2009, 04:36 PM

Mine started up in first gear just fine the one time I tried. I shut it off and restarted at a light because the sensor didn't pick me up and didn't need to shift out of first. I've been told the magnetic field from the starter being engaged will trip the sensors in the road sometimes.

xplodnstar · 08-25-2009, 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wrel

Hey guys, just wondering if this is a common problem, or even a problem at all, and merely a design of the bike.

I rolled up to a stop light and managed to stall in traffic the other day. No biggie. I tried hitting the starter but it did nothing. I check for all possible problems, but found nothing. Then I put it into neutral, and it turned over fine. First gear? Or any gear for that matter? I get no response from the starter.

Anyone else have a bike that acts like this? My other 2 bikes would fire right back up when in gear, so I had just assumed this one would too. Should I take it to the dealership and have them take a look at this for me?

Thanks

It's a safety feature on many newer bikes. As Ven said, you just have to hold in the clutch to turn it over.

It keeps most people from starting it in gear and having the bike run right out from under them. Yes, it's happened and the look on the guys face ans his bike went all of 5 feet and fell over was heartbreaking.

**dart1963** · 08-25-2009, 06:46 PM

"First gear? Or any gear for that matter? I get no response from the starter."

ok, I'll make the assumption, he did have the clutch pulled when trying (since he hasn't responded and seems to have tried other gears and... common sense says you can't turn over in gear), so if he did have the clutch pulled and it still wouldn't start in gear, I'd suspect a bad kickstand switch or he didn't quite have it all the way up. This bike will kill the engine when the stand is down in any gear and will not start in gear when it is down.... must be in neutral with kickstand down to run.

nortonator · 08-25-2009, 09:48 PM

The same thing happened to me on my road test. The bike was about a week old, I started off, thinking I was in second and stalled it (2 points)

. like you, I had issues re-starting it. I think I had to put it back in first or neutral.
Afterwards, I found out that it may have been due to the transmission being new, and that it takes a while to break-in the transmission as well as the engine. I think there was only about 200km on the bike at that time. It's seems to be running skookum now,I stalled it the other week and had no problem starting it.

hope this helps,

Cheers.

FZ1inNH · 08-25-2009, 09:52 PM

Check behind the clutch lever (front of the handlebars). There's a switch in the clutch lever with two blade connections. Often times, the dealer overlooks connecting these, or one of the two, or they just are not seated properly. This switch has no effect in neutral but the bike will not start in gear with these two wires being disconnected.

Let me know if that is the issue.

Allan · 08-26-2009, 12:34 AM

I've got just over 400km's on the clock now. Stalled it a couple of days ago in first

, and, with the clutch in, it started up first time.

Wrel · 08-26-2009, 08:39 AM

Yeah like dart thought, I did have the clutch in. I dont think even with the neutral light on, I'd have the gall to turn it over with the clutch out in traffic. :P

Thanks for the suggestions, I'll check over the cabling today when I go for a ride. I have about 350km on the bike now, only having it for about a week, but thankfully I only had the stall issue once. I might let it break in a bit more before I talk to the dealer I bought it from.

**99vengeur** · 08-26-2009, 08:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wrel

Yeah like dart thought, I did have the clutch in. I dont think even with the neutral light on, I'd have the gall to turn it over with the clutch out in traffic. :P

Thanks for the suggestions, I'll check over the cabling today when I go for a ride. I have about 350km on the bike now, only having it for about a week, but thankfully I only had the stall issue once. I might let it break in a bit more before I talk to the dealer I bought it from.

Get back with us and let us know what you determine the problem to be. This has piqued my interest.

08-25-2009, 04:16 PM	#1 (permalink)
Wrel Junior Member Bike: 2009 FZ6R Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 10 Thanks: 3 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Can't turn it over in gear? Hey guys, just wondering if this is a common problem, or even a problem at all, and merely a design of the bike. I rolled up to a stop light and managed to stall in traffic the other day. No biggie. I tried hitting the starter but it did nothing. I check for all possible problems, but found nothing. Then I put it into neutral, and it turned over fine. First gear? Or any gear for that matter? I get no response from the starter. Anyone else have a bike that acts like this? My other 2 bikes would fire right back up when in gear, so I had just assumed this one would too. Should I take it to the dealership and have them take a look at this for me? Thanks

08-25-2009, 06:46 PM	#5 (permalink)
dart1963 Super Moderator Bike: '09 FZ6R Raven Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Bluemont, Virginia Posts: 3,284 Thanks: 1,201 Thanked 1,116 Times in 724 Posts Blog Entries: 2	"First gear? Or any gear for that matter? I get no response from the starter." ok, I'll make the assumption, he did have the clutch pulled when trying (since he hasn't responded and seems to have tried other gears and... common sense says you can't turn over in gear), so if he did have the clutch pulled and it still wouldn't start in gear, I'd suspect a bad kickstand switch or he didn't quite have it all the way up. This bike will kill the engine when the stand is down in any gear and will not start in gear when it is down.... must be in neutral with kickstand down to run. Last edited by dart1963; 08-25-2009 at 06:48 PM.

08-25-2009, 09:48 PM	#6 (permalink)
nortonator Junior Member Bike: Blue '09 FZ6R Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Victoria, Canada Posts: 4 Thanks: 2 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	The same thing happened to me on my road test. The bike was about a week old, I started off, thinking I was in second and stalled it (2 points). like you, I had issues re-starting it. I think I had to put it back in first or neutral. Afterwards, I found out that it may have been due to the transmission being new, and that it takes a while to break-in the transmission as well as the engine. I think there was only about 200km on the bike at that time. It's seems to be running skookum now,I stalled it the other week and had no problem starting it. hope this helps, Cheers.

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08-25-2009, 04:36 PM	#3 (permalink)
JonKerr Senior Member Bike: 2009 Raven FZ6R a.k.a. "Gretchen" Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: San Diego (Lakeside) Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 56 Thanked 872 Times in 490 Posts	Mine started up in first gear just fine the one time I tried. I shut it off and restarted at a light because the sensor didn't pick me up and didn't need to shift out of first. I've been told the magnetic field from the starter being engaged will trip the sensors in the road sometimes.

08-25-2009, 09:52 PM	#7 (permalink)
FZ1inNH Super Moderator Bike: 2009 FZ1 Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Dover, NH Posts: 569 Thanks: 346 Thanked 321 Times in 152 Posts	Check behind the clutch lever (front of the handlebars). There's a switch in the clutch lever with two blade connections. Often times, the dealer overlooks connecting these, or one of the two, or they just are not seated properly. This switch has no effect in neutral but the bike will not start in gear with these two wires being disconnected. Let me know if that is the issue.

08-26-2009, 12:34 AM	#8 (permalink)
Allan Member Bike: 2009 FZ6R Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Cape Town, South Africa Posts: 46 Thanks: 7 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	I've got just over 400km's on the clock now. Stalled it a couple of days ago in first , and, with the clutch in, it started up first time.

08-26-2009, 08:39 AM	#9 (permalink)
Wrel Junior Member Bike: 2009 FZ6R Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 10 Thanks: 3 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Yeah like dart thought, I did have the clutch in. I dont think even with the neutral light on, I'd have the gall to turn it over with the clutch out in traffic. :P Thanks for the suggestions, I'll check over the cabling today when I go for a ride. I have about 350km on the bike now, only having it for about a week, but thankfully I only had the stall issue once. I might let it break in a bit more before I talk to the dealer I bought it from.

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